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I got my first snake in 2008, and my knowledge is mostly centered on green tree pythons. If you have questions, I'll do my best to answer and/or direct you to someone more appropriate.
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You’ll have to fight his other nickname of Lemongrab because mice are UNACCEPTAAAABLLLE
But yeah, chicken broke his fast, and he’ll gladly eat a mouse after a chicken like a glutton, and then if you offer only a mouse he’ll very ungratefully take it, but if you keep offering mice he’ll eventually shuff his nose at it and refuse until you eventually give him chickens again.
Which is all very comical because he’s very settled in by now and had apparently been slamming mice his entire life until he came to me.
ONE MILLION YEARS SNAKE DUNGEON!!!
The aftershow (Talking Dead) where the actors talk about the filming the episode.
Ah, thanks! Looking for that now.
ETA: Someone on tumblr had already done giftsets of the relevant portions. Hmm, so eel it is. I want to know where the snake(s) were obtained from, but barring further evidence, I’m still reserving judgement about whether actual abuse took place.
The animal being eaten was actually eel.
I’d seen that comment floating around—what’s the source?
After viewing the whole sequence in HD, my opinion is that there was a live snake and at least one (perhaps multiple) dead snakes used in the episode. The pattern on the live snake doesn’t match up to the shots involving the killing or skinning of the snake. And those two sequences could be two different animals as well, it’s hard to see enough of the snake in the right areas to tell. And they might have had to do multiple takes to get the skinning shot they wanted. The snake in the killing scene was already dead. It’s not struggling while pinned, and the face/head looks messed up.
My concern would be whether the dead animals were ethically obtained. Since there’s the scene with the snake being eaten, my guess would be that they purchased them from someone selling them for consumption, but wanted them “intact” for filming purposes instead of already prepped for eating. But the only folks who can answer for certain are those who were there.
I may not like that folks kill and (and sometimes eat) snakes, but they do. I may not like that folks eat meat in general, but they do. Unless further information comes to light, I’m skeptical that any abuse took place specifically for this episode to be filmed. If anyone finds out anything further, I’d be…well, not exactly “happy”…but interested in hearing about it.
Just an FYI: anyone making rude/nasty comments on any of my posts—I see there’s already one of you—is getting added to my growing ignore list.
I need to get a HD version of the ep to really compare patterns, but from from what I can see in the preview I watched, live!snake and dead!snake look to be two different animals.
Considering that one of the actors explicitly said that a piece of the animal’s body (the rattler) was given to another cast member and that the body looks very much real (and I am very familiar with what dead snakes look like) I really don’t believe that the snake was unharmed. Perhaps not killed on camera but definitely not left unharmed.
And based on past treatment of rattlesnakes on television from programs like Rattlesnake Republic and Snake Salvation, I really think that treatment of reptiles flies way way under the radar of the AHA.
I wish I could share such optimism but it’s really difficult considering all the evidence.
I saw the video, and based on that I’m not disputing that a dead snake was used at some point during filming. Distasteful? Certainly. And I want to know more about the circumstances/how it was obtained—there could still be something shady going on. But so far I’m not convinced that a snake was intentionally killed on set for the purposes of filming the show. (If it was, I don’t think Reedus would be talking about it so freely—it would be an incredibly stupid PR move for what seems to be a very popular show.)
Hopefully I won’t be proved wrong.
Don’t get me wrong—there’s plenty of shit that still goes on, and it shouldn’t be ignored. And it’s great that people are concerned! If it did happen? Or happened due to neglect/mistreatment and they just went with it? Then by all means let slip the dogs of war. But if the snake was obtained already dead (I dunno…exotic meat purveyor?), then that puts a different spin on things, even though I’d still personally find it distasteful. I just need more info before I’m ready to jump in with those going all-out on this one.
(Note: I haven’t watched TWD since the first season, so I could care less about the show itself.)